This episode begins with Marnie in a bit of a funk. How is she coping with her break-up with Charlie?
It's tough for her. She's not only dealing with the change of no longer dating him, but also the change of no longer being in a relationship. Then she's also dealing with Charlie having moved on so quickly, and with someone with whom he travels and sees the world. In the pilot, Jessa makes Marnie feel uncultured for not wanting to travel, so Marnie says, "We should just go somewhere," but you can tell that's not really how she's wired. So the fact that he's found someone that embodies that adventurous spirit that Marnie yearns to have makes it hurt all that much more. But also, it's just painful for her to see a face next to his in all these pictures in the place where hers used to be.
Do you think this is a fairly typical response to a modern break-up?
It's a normal thing for people to do, going on Facebook and seeing pictures of their exes with their new significant others. It's a relatable moment in the process of getting over someone and also a very current one. It probably used to be easier to get over a relationship when you couldn't look at pictures of them with their new girlfriend or boyfriend. Now, you hear about people deleting each other from Facebook and their phones. But mostly, she's so sad, it breaks my heart.
Is this the first time she's felt so rejected?
Well, I think she rejected him. She just feels that she was too easily replaceable. Nobody wants to feel that way. Everyone wants to feel like they were the one and only person that the other person could ever fall in love with. Obviously, that's not the case, but it's a harsh realization for her to have.
She seems to be at odds with Hannah in this episode. Is there a fracture in their relationship?
What you see there is a very intricate and relatable friendship dynamic shifting from dorm life to the real world. Whether or not the relationship can survive that transition is yet to be seen, and it's investigated throughout the series. I think that's one of the larger themes that a lot of my friends find relatable about the show. It's a hard thing to do, to have your friendship in the nurtured and specific context of college, and then move it into an enormous context-a tiny fish in the ocean of New York City. Now there are work friends and other people you might not know about. So there's definitely something brewing with Hannah. There was the diary entry, the rent, and just a general feeling Marnie is getting that "Maybe this person is just wired in a way that drives me crazy. Is this a temporary thing that Hannah is doing, or is this just who she is? And is that someone I want to be friends with?"