Dr. Baden Q & A [3]
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During an autopsy, do the hair and skin
of the deceased feel much like they did when the person was alive,
or do they become tougher?
After death, the hair and skin initially
look and feel just as they did during life. However, after a few hours
the skin begins to slowly lose body heat and it feels cooler. Then
as bacteria grow and spread through the body because the body no longer
has a protective immune system, decomposition changes set in and the
skin becomes discolored and bloated. However, the hair, which contains
no living cells except at the roots, remains just as it was during
life except that its attachment to skin loosens.
Are there jobs in your profession
that don't require a college degree?
Yes. Many types of scene investigation
jobs and crime laboratory jobs do not require a college degree.
You should inquire of your local police departments as to their
standards for employment. To be a forensic pathologist requires
going to medical school.
Are there any cases you've worked on over
the years that still bother you?
Yes. Especially when people are convicted
of murder when the cause of death was natural because of misinterpretation
of autopsy findings. This has happened a few times in my 40 years
of investigating unnatural deaths, such as conviction of a person
for strangling his wife based on small hemorrhages in the face and
bluish discoloration of the front of the body that was caused by
the settling of blood post-mortem (livor mortis) and not from any
violence. The wife had at autopsy a very severe, active fatal infection
of the heart called myocarditis. Overzealous prosecution resulted
in his conviction.
How long does a person have to be
exposed to motor exhaust to die from carbon monoxide poisoning?
The rapidity of death from carbon monoxide
poisoning depends on the amount and how quickly the carbon monoxide
is inhaled. A great deal of carbon monoxide comes out of a motor
car exhaust and if this is inhaled in a closed space like a garage,
loss of consciousness can occur within minutes and death soon thereafter.
The carbon monoxide causes death by attaching to the hemoglobin
in red blood cells and thereby preventing oxygen from being brought
to the cells of the body.
Can you tell, by a chemical test of cerebral
fluid or some other means, whether someone was traumatized or peaceful
at the moment of death?
Not at present. However, there is presently
research being performed by toxicologist Dr. Fredric Rieders examining
the amount of adrenline-like compounds and chemicals called ketone
bodies that may reflect the degree of stress present at the time
of death. Dr. Rieders will provide further information on this through
his e-mail address: fredric.rieders@nmslab.com. We cannot tell by
facial appearance whether a person was peaceful at the time of death
because all muscles, including facial muscles, relax into a gravitational
position at the moment that we die and rigor mortis sets in after
the muscles have relaxed.
How long does the brain continue to function
after death?
The brain is the first body organ to
die from lack of oxygen because it is the organ most dependent on
receiving a continuous oxygen supply. The brain uses more than 25%
of the oxygen we inhale and it only contains about ten seconds worth
of oxygen at any time. When oxygen flow diminishes, most commonly
because the heart fails as a pump, as in a heart attack, diminished
oxygen supply to the brain causes us to lose consciousness and pass
out and brain death occurs soon thereafter. The heart muscle does
not require as much oxygen so usually the heart continues to function
for a few minutes after the brain stops.
What is most satisfying about your work?
What drives you to do it?
Most satisfying to me is being able
to explain to family members what happened to their loved one and
to help answer some of the many questions that arise at this critical
and unhappy time in their lives and to assist in bringing closure
to this terrible event. I am driven, in part, by the knowledge that
there are so few forensic pathologists in this country to do this
and if I didn't do it, there might not be someone else available
to do it.
Is it possible to determine what caused
a particular wound by looking at a photograph, or is it necessary
to examine the actual wound?
It is possible to determine what caused
a wound by looking at a photograph. Whenever a body is examined,
the forensic pathologist's responsibility is to document any injury
so that other investigators can review the findings and draw their
own independent opinion as to not only cause and manner of death
but also as to the nature and cause of all wounds. This is done
by verbal description of the wound in the autopsy report and by
photographing the wound and, if appropriate, by taking x-rays.
How do you determine whether a child sustained
head injuries from a fall onto a hard surface or from "shaken baby
syndrome"?
The shaken baby syndrome (SBS) is a major controversial issue presently
in forensic medicine. When first described in the early-1970's,
the term referred to babies who had bleeding around the brain due
to trauma but where pediatricians and radiologists could find no
site of traumatic impact, such as a bruise or a skull fracture.
It was suggested that the reason for this lack of evidence of external
trauma was that the baby was shaken violently because the head did
not strike any external surface; thus, the brain must have struck
the bones of the inside of the skull -- whether this can happen is
still being debated and researched. The diagnosis has become very
popular, especially among prosecutors, because the last person with
the baby would have had to be the perpetrator and because of its
viciousness: in many states, the perpetrator is subject to capital
punishment. However, when forensic pathologists perform autopsies
on children where no trauma was seen by treating physicians, in
the great majority of cases we do find traumatic impact sites not
seen during life which indicate that the child was struck and the
death would then fall into the battered child syndrome category.
This is also a homicidal death but could occur many hours before
the child dies and, therefore, have been caused by someone other
than whoever was with the baby at the time the baby became comatose.
It is not considered as vicious as SBS and usually does not lead
to capital punishment charges.
Is it true that maternal DNA is necessary
to determine ancestry? If so, how is paternity determined?
No. Maternal DNA is a great help in
determining maternal ancestry because a certain kind of DNA, mitochondrial
DNA, which is DNA present in the cytoplasm of the cell, is inherited
by all children only through the mother. However, the nuclear DNA,
which contains both the mother and father's DNA, permits identification
of male ancestry through changes in the Y chromosome, as was done
in tracing President Thomas Jefferson's geneology. Both the mother's
mitrochondrial DNA and the father's Y chromosome DNA can be useful
in tracing ancestry.
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